How to get a better WvW community

Cannot agree more with above poster. I've watched past few weeks as we have wiped larger numbers with fewer, as we had fun. Yes there is some trolling that does go around, some disagreements; but that is only natural. To be fair, we do have a nice tight knit community. I've watched as people will charge into an enemy zerg to hold them off as stragglers make it to safety. Or people who will jump down from a tower to save a person who was downed, even though there is a heavy battle going on.

Through the many who have come into our tier, i have not witnessed that much comradery from others we have faced (there is some, but not as much as i see from our side).

yes we may have gaps in our coverage, yes we may not win this week, or the next; but this wont deter us from continuing to leap into the enemy forces to save allies, or to keep pushing forward even when heavily outnumbered and outgunned.

I think once more people who come into WvW for the first time, or return and see this kind of comradery and fun we can have will keep on coming back. Times may get tough, people will retreat into spvp/pve, but we keep on going forward. And once more begin to realize this, more may end up coming out.

And to those who see my warrior (Kordoch) leap into the enemy blob when we are retreating, please dont try and rescue me. I only do this to buy FCers time to get away and heal. I understand the urge to try and res fallen allies, but dont let a distraction be wasted

Okay that's my two cents.

I will say, I've been in WvW for a while, my room mate has TS and I have been listening to it.... not impressed. The way the players in TS talk about the 'dumb puggers' does not make me want to stay in WvW or TS. It would appear that there is a core group of players that play together and are in TS and they come across as talking down to or about anyone that isn't in their group, especially if they aren't in TS. There was a group on there last weekend... that were not happy with the 'dumb puggers' and came across said group of puggers fighting the enemy and were told by the commander at that time in TS, don't remember who it was, NOT to help the puggers because they weren't in TS and to let them die.... this is NOT the way to instill a desire in players to follow commanders or use TS. I have asked my room mate NOT to play TS on speaker anymore, as I do not like listening to the way the players in there talk about the rest of the community ... ie.. us 'dumb puggers'. I know most of you don't want to hear this, but it was asked for suggestions in the first post and my suggestion is.. be NICE to everyone. It is just a game, but treating people like they are second class to you does not make it fun and makes me not want to play and to go back to PvE.

First... this is why I am losing interest and desire to be in WvW. For your information, I've been in WvW since the begining.. I remember when we had Orbs!!! I myself have laid down seige and helped build many seige. I've spent lots of money upgrading, I do my part and I do it well. I am just saying that talking down to people, like you did in your post, is NOT helping. And as someone else said, people leaving one by one may not be noticed, but you will when that number keeps adding up, word of mouth is a powerful tool. I will not be checking this board again, or replying, as you apparently can't take critisism without getting hostile and I am not here to be attacked for giving my opinion and suggestion as asked for in the first post.

I'm sorry to hear that man, On behalf of the TS Commander's apologise for this. I love the TS, it has proven as an effective tool for commanding. Our server organisation has increased dramatically with its introduction but if people are getting turned away from WvW because of the attitude of our commander's than that needs to stop!

please guy's don't turn your back on the TS. If i can offer a simple solution to this - Don't follow the commander's that do this. during NA primetime there are 5-6+ active commander's find one you like and follow them. Ignore/mute the foulmouthed one's and eventually they will realise that ppl aren't following them anymore. Than they are left with the choice of changing their attitude or not commanding. You the people have the power to do this

Again I am sorry to those of you who have been turned away from TS. maybe one day you can come follow me and hopefully get the non-hostile environment you are looking for.

I can't comment on what you and the night crew are doing because I'm typically not there. During NA primetime I can be a lot more critical because I've seen the missteps every day for the past four weeks. It may not immediately make the difference between first and second, but fixing some of these things can close the gap substantially and leave your crew with an easier job.

How do you push a map? Where do you put your siege? When do you turtle inside a tower/keep? When do you drop defensive siege? Why do you use superior siege? When is it not appropriate to put swords up? When do you flip camps? When is it OK to take supply from a tower/keep? Who can I call when we're the only ones on a map and they've got golems at our door? Where can I put my intel where the right people will read it? Who's coordinating between maps? Where are our enemies' zergs right now?

Some of these have very clear answers; some not so much. If any commander DOESN'T know why I'm asking any of those then let's have a discussion. We, as a community, screw these things up far too frequently (as in: typically multiple times a day). Let's get a private WvW board added to this site and discuss. There are people here who desperately want to help but it's been made pretty clear that almost no one wants it. In the meantime we'll be flipping camps and doing our GvGs.

I never wanted to get the commanders hat, and the reason for that is because i know i dont have enough patience to do so, and i didnt want to turn new players away from WvW for being too rude when crap is going downhill. People really are missing the point of being a commander, you don't get it to run with your own people and you can't control who is following you or not, the moment that the blue dorito pops in the map it becomes a point where people know they can go to help, and if you're just gonna be rude to them for being there then you're losing allies and you won't have any hope of ever fully making this server the best.

If you want to laugh about something a pug is doing do so in a private chat with people that you know will laugh with you, laughing in a open public chat about something someone of your own server is doing is not something commanders should be doing.

We don't need to be nice to each other, its a huge community and there will be people that do not like each other and all that, but we do need to be civilized and stop with the slurs, because frankly theres no reason for it, and if you can't be bothered to stop it then how can you complain about others that can't be bothered to download teamspeak or something else?

About being the best and leaving T8: Forget it, it will not happen unless we get a good amount of people to cover during the times we have no one on. Of course we need to work on our map awareness, and holding on to our stuff, and knowing when and where to push, etc etc, but that alone will not be enough.


One thing i think could help the OP getting PvE players to join in WvW is to set a couple hours of your time, probably before the reset if the match isnt very closeor if its already settled, and go to Orr clear Temples, announce it in LA and get it going, show them that you can do something about the PvE community as well and how you can lead, then tell them about WvW and how theyd be welcome to join if they wanted to, i'm sure you'd get at least a couple of them every time.

Stacking is a must being told what skill I mean c'mon we don't say spam a certain skill when we get into battle. We just ask for feilds b4 entering a fight. We only need so many roamers and we need more of a "zerg ball" we r outnumbered in WvW simple as that. U should NVR... Ever ever glass cannon in WvW, u will get 2 shot and ppl will get tired of it. Let them go in with 5k hp and when they die. We shouldn't be responsible for rezing them.

as for how to get more members I think more guilds need to become hardcore WvW guilds. I know some of y'all like PvE hardcore doesn't mean ever it just means ur members spend 80% or more of their time in WvW. Also recruiting in areas such as CoF and other areas with lots of traffic will help get guilds larger and introduce more and more ppl to WvW as time goes on