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Post by Vip on Dec 12, 2013 22:07:31 GMT -5
lol venomshare thief? instakill best thief NA
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Post by Mesmer Dude on Dec 12, 2013 23:57:22 GMT -5
Right, from a Mesmer main: The build in question's a standard "Glamourbomber." It can work, but has certain problems: 1: As we all know, WvW confusion damage was slashed in half months ago. This makes it a good deal harder to keep up AoE condi-pressure. 2: Blinding Befuddlement was nerfed to possess a 5 second ICD. This, gents, makes it's Confuse-on-blind effect USELESS in large-scale combat. OTOH, Dazzling Glamours is still a good choice. 3: As such, you honestly need to combine the Confusion with other sources of "making the enemy kill themselves." A good example's the Triforce build, from the GW2 Mesmer forums. IIRC, 20/0/0/30/20. You still take the glamour-boosters from Domination and Inspiration, but also add in Warden's Feedback for Reflects. In Illusions, you add Confusing Cry (Retaliation from F2 Shatter) and Masterful Reflection (Reflect on F4 Shatter). Staff/Scepter/Focus,Rabid or Dire EQ/Weapons. 3a: Also, with those Traits, you can keep Restorative Mantras, keep Mantra of Pain around, and spamheal your buddies. Fun fact about that heal trick: It doesn't scale too much with Healing Power, tbh ... so you can use your same condition gear. My own version uses a mix of Shaman/Apothecary, with Rabid trinkets for (slightly) better heals. I'll admit, the Reflects crit less then (since Reflect uses YOUR crit chance for the bounced attack). 3b: Another Mesmer support option is: using Prismatic Understanding on your "group" Stealths to add some random defense buffs to the crew. This one's best done with Veil -due to its # of targets- but can also work for small-man teams, via Mass Invisibility. Do keep your friends stealthed as long as possible, the Boons are random and cycle per second Stealthed. Yes, I have tried the majority of what you have mentioned, the mantra is worth running, And they can run if they want. I just put something simple together that any one can use, while the glamour build was nerfed if you run a good amount of of Mesmer's with it like 5+ it will be relatively effective. Also, my problem with setting up reflect with retal and confusion is: Retal scales off power, confusion scales off condi and reflect scales off crit chance and crit damage. If you can make a build that do all 3 to reasonable degree, be my guest. Restorative mantra is nice, you sacrifice a decent amount of utility to accomplish it. Reflect is included in this build more or less as a defensive ability, a single feed back and cut off all of the projectile pressure of the opposing group (something a traited focus can't accomplish) while the nullfield if there to strip boons that cuts away from the effectiveness of the other builds (such as stability). Also if you didn't know, Prismatic understanding is only effective for the Mesmer. Stealth's generated by the Mesmer that effects other people does not give them boons if they are not a Mesmer with prismatic understanding. This can be seen in 2 ways: Simple group with some one and watch their boons when you stealth them, they will receive none. Also, Try having a thief stealth you as a Mesmer with prismatic understanding, you will receive boons from his stealth, meaning it is only effective when the Mesmer has the stealth buff. While I do have a better build than this, I'm not at liberty to share it. For now. Though if you would like to talk shop with me some time, we could come up with something better. |
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Post by malegryne on Dec 13, 2013 0:22:42 GMT -5
As "sub-optimal" as it can be, there are two ways to get good pow/condition on a build like that. The "easy" way is to swap for full Carrion EQ. Power for the Retal, and C.Dmg for the Confusion. Another tactic is Rabid weapon/armour, Celestial trinkets. It won't pack the Retal oomph of Carrion, but could work out. As for PU, I coulda sworn that trick worked ... maybe it used to, and got sliced down.
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Post by Vae on Dec 13, 2013 7:53:03 GMT -5
Those thief and ele builds. Dolyak runes? srsly?  |
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Post by Just Me on Dec 13, 2013 20:24:30 GMT -5
If DETH is trying to help ppl I think you are going about it in all the wrong way. Telling ppl to leave a map because they don't want to join the zerg is going a bit too far. I really must question the intelligence of posting up builds you want ppl to run on the forum, where any other server can come and laugh hysterically at them, then easily counter them. Confusing newer members and WvW's with these builds is not going to help us at all.
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Post by Guesterino on Dec 13, 2013 21:11:39 GMT -5
I took a quick look at the guardian build, it chooses a trait that amplifies retaliation duration, whilst only have one source of retaliation-an active effect of a signet. Seems like a bad choice. I'd much rather have the 10 in Zeal for 10% dmg to burning foes.
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Post by Fapo on Dec 14, 2013 1:44:05 GMT -5
And? Your point is invalid, these builds suck, GvG builds are even worse (Meta-Ball-GvG what a fucking joke lulz), and "Deth" lost to MU, Yarr aced them. Deth shouldn't help out a server when the server should be helping them out with WvW because they can't even down people on even terms. Turd Comment by a likely turd guild. #elitistmuch? You want Yarr to attend? Tell us about it. If you don't like it when we don't? Leave us out of it. ensign made the comment that sparked you baddies with all this hatred (or envy?) I commented on him because I agree with some (Most) of the stuff he said. Have a problem with criticism? Don't post. -Fxpo |
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Post by Mesmer Dude on Dec 15, 2013 3:12:55 GMT -5
And? Your point is invalid, these builds suck, GvG builds are even worse (Meta-Ball-GvG what a fucking joke lulz), and "Deth" lost to MU, Yarr aced them. Deth shouldn't help out a server when the server should be helping them out with WvW because they can't even down people on even terms. Turd Comment by a likely turd guild. #elitistmuch? You want Yarr to attend? Tell us about it. If you don't like it when we don't? Leave us out of it. ensign made the comment that sparked you baddies with all this hatred (or envy?) I commented on him because I agree with some (Most) of the stuff he said. Have a problem with criticism? Don't post. -Fxpo Hmm.... Only one individual is really all that angry from our guild (assuming FC Resident is a Deth guy) and I really don't even know who he is, though you have crossed a line or two. This is a thread is about the builds we offered up, we would gladly take some criticism about them but people began to insult our guild personally. If you are seeing us starting to get offended and retaliating, that is why. Also I would like to make it clear: THESE BUILDS ARE IN NO WAY INTENDED FOR GVG PURPOSES. NOR ARE THEY IN REALITY THE BUILDS WE RUN ACTIVELY. THEY WHERE ONLY CREATED TO SERVE THE PURPOSE OF RUNNING IN A LARGE SCALE 40+ ZERG AND THEY ARE ONLY SUGGESTED BUILDS AT THAT. ALSO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO OUT AND WIN A 1V1 THESE BUILDS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS THEY ARE BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR ZERGING. Now with that understood if you would like to submit constructive criticism I would be happy to take a look at that, relay it to the creator of said builds or builds and he/she will get back to you. But until you do so please refrain from posting on this thread. |
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Post by Silent on Dec 15, 2013 3:51:38 GMT -5
I think the thief build should be more power orientated, such as an acro build. I understand that your trying to go for team comp builds, but thieves don't do it as well as other classes. A 0/30/0/20/20 build still gives allies a few boons but gives the theif more survivabilty and prevents them from being rally bait. Thieves can be better utilized with power builds then condi imo.
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Post by Stamps on Dec 15, 2013 5:26:29 GMT -5
Mesmer build:
Blinding glamours isn't great in a zerg fight. Blind is great at stopping key attacks but zerg fights are all about the weight of attacks. If you have to bring a mesmer to a zerg fight, use shatter. Basic shatter 20/20/0/0/30 with a mix of knights/berserker. The more comfortable you are with shatter the more zerker you can mix in.
Weapons would be staff (Just ubiquitous kiting, defense, and team support [combo-ing Chaos Storm]) and Sword/Pistol.
Slots would be null field and blink as auto-slots. Last slot goes towards whatever fits the situation best. Feedback for defending keeps from Omegas, Veil for rushes, Portal for portal bombs, and Mantra of Concentration if you're facing heavy hammer trains.
You aren't going to be in the blob with this build but you're going to do a helluva lot more than the build posted here. You'll being stripping boons like a champ (Dom VII/Null Field) and doing heavy damage. You'll act a lot like a thief, staying on the outside and only darting in to score shatters when your sword combo is up. Mesmers in general are only useful for utility in zerg fights but that doesn't mean you should just take them only for the utility. Power mesmers are a much stronger force to reckon with than condition mesmers and don't clutter up the field with sub-optimal conditions.
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Post by Mesmer Dude on Dec 15, 2013 14:03:21 GMT -5
Mesmer build: Blinding glamours isn't great in a zerg fight. Blind is great at stopping key attacks but zerg fights are all about the weight of attacks. If you have to bring a mesmer to a zerg fight, use shatter. Basic shatter 20/20/0/0/30 with a mix of knights/berserker. The more comfortable you are with shatter the more zerker you can mix in. Weapons would be staff (Just ubiquitous kiting, defense, and team support [combo-ing Chaos Storm]) and Sword/Pistol. Slots would be null field and blink as auto-slots. Last slot goes towards whatever fits the situation best. Feedback for defending keeps from Omegas, Veil for rushes, Portal for portal bombs, and Mantra of Concentration if you're facing heavy hammer trains. You aren't going to be in the blob with this build but you're going to do a helluva lot more than the build posted here. You'll being stripping boons like a champ (Dom VII/Null Field) and doing heavy damage. You'll act a lot like a thief, staying on the outside and only darting in to score shatters when your sword combo is up. Mesmer's in general are only useful for utility in zerg fights but that doesn't mean you should just take them only for the utility. Power Mesmer's are a much stronger force to reckon with than condition mesmers and don't clutter up the field with sub-optimal conditions. I do agree that shatter is a build worth running in zergs, it does work, but very few people people can utilize it either zerker or knights, I can run it full zerker, but its difficult, being tapped by 2 front line and your toast. As these builds are created to be able to run by everyone with some amount of success. Shatter in zergs requires high amounts of skill to be viable, and while I have a lot of faith in Ferg players, I don't think every one could pull it off. |
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Post by abaddon on Dec 15, 2013 14:04:05 GMT -5
thank god i did not leave ioj this server is so fucking stupid all you guys do is fight against your own server i come in the team speak and went into the eb chn and you guys were fighting against each other i was going to switch and join yarr but after seeing this that yarr is bashing there own server rather then helping make better builds since they seem to have such a problem why not make new ones?  , the guilds seem to be working against each other yea no not joining here maybe instead of trying to recruit from other servers you should focus on fixing the people and guilds in FC |
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Post by pointnine on Dec 15, 2013 14:30:22 GMT -5
Yarr wouldnt let you in, your probably not good enough.
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Post by Silent [Yarr] on Dec 15, 2013 15:38:06 GMT -5
thank god i did not leave ioj this server is so fucking stupid all you guys do is fight against your own server i come in the team speak and went into the eb chn and you guys were fighting against each other i was going to switch and join yarr but after seeing this that yarr is bashing there own server rather then helping make better builds since they seem to have such a problem why not make new ones? , the guilds seem to be working against each other yea no not joining here maybe instead of trying to recruit from other servers you should focus on fixing the people and guilds in FC 2 comments about alternative builds that could be run are by Yarr members  so yes we are trying to help. While i do agree that there has been an increase in drama recently, it can also be blamed on the stale matches we've had. HoD for 3 weeks created bitterness and just annoyed people honestly. Oh and let me just clear up this elitist view people seem to have of us. While we do have great players, we do have our share of bad players. We DO NOT recruit by player skill or do we recruit actively. We recruit by how well the individual can get along with the rest of the guild, player skill is honestly a after thought. If we were the elitist pricks you guys think we are, we would of ditched the server when (BS) from ET asked us to merge with them. BS is a great guild, but personally i like FC most of the time. And Deth our guilds have our major differences and the bashing of each other will probably not stop anytime soon, but i do hope you guys the best of luck. |
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Post by Y Not on Dec 15, 2013 15:43:59 GMT -5
This thread is just so nice! So first off, Yarr doesn't care about these builds and we don't think they are good. We don't have a problem with people using these builds and the people who made them had a plan, so go for it! If you think they will work by all means, use them. We would help make the builds if we were asked to, but we were not asked. We didn't pull ourselves into this, some random person did. One of our members agreed with his post, but that doesn't mean we all hate these builds or think they shouldn't exist.
Thank pointnine, glad you are speaking for our guild. I appreciate it. Oh wait, no I don't. Please troll some other guild, not Yarr.
Stop talking about Yarr plzandthx.
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, the guilds seem to be working against each other yea no not joining here maybe instead of trying to recruit from other servers you should focus on fixing the people and guilds in FC 
so yes we are trying to help. While i do agree that there has been an increase in drama recently, it can also be blamed on the stale matches we've had. HoD for 3 weeks created bitterness and just annoyed people honestly. 
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