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Post by Aldix on Jul 21, 2013 14:24:48 GMT -5
like I said before nobody, I only kick guildies, trolls and people with open mics. besides its not hard to get back on TS, it takes 2 clicks, so you and your friend should get over yourselves. as far as me being kicked from TS goes, its the principle behind it that makes me angry not the fact that I got kicked. if youre going to kick someone you don't like and then not even warn your friend to watch what hes saying (when he says something even worse, TWICE) then theres a problem. if your going to add rules to a TS server they have to be unbiased
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Post by Dan on Jul 21, 2013 15:49:47 GMT -5
Alright, here we go. Firstly, this whole thread is nonsense. This could have been brought up personally as to prevent causing any drama. Creating a thread is a bit extensive. This thread is not nonsense. It is a collective of opinions brought forth by a portion of the Ferguson's Crossing community. Just because said opinions are not to your liking doesn't invalidate their worth. Regarding the PG-13 issue, there was both a warning/discussing and a vote on it. Vote was held during a World vs World meeting. Now, I have to admit the restrictions on this rule are a bit unnecessary. It's simply in place to keep the chat clean. Cussing every now and again is alright, aside from cussing, what "PG-13" really means is don't say anything you wouldn't want your child to hear. Don't make dirty remarks, don't say overly vulgar things. Simple. What is a dirty remark? What is an overly vulgar thing? What are the time constraints to "now and again"? These descriptions of where the limits to TeamSpeak censorship extend are very loose and contain several loopholes. If anything, our conversation in this thread could very well be considered "vulgar" by a moderator in the current TeamSpeak and halted. If you're going to place boundaries on speech you have to write up something more comprehensive than "keeping the chat clean". Regarding the "FC" tags: there are so many people with the power to give them that they should not be an issue. Mods, commanders, guild leaders and admins can all grant the tag. People come in daily, and if they are confused, me or another mod/admin is always there to help them. It's in place to keep trolls/spies out of our TS (which we have had come in there on occasion). It's a one time ordeal, you get the tag and you're golden. That's not an open TeamSpeak. Why should a user have to jump through so many hoops just to be able to listen-in on what players are going on about in their respective channels? If you truly have so many moderators available 24/7 to invalidate the difficulty of acquiring said 'FC' tags then "trolling" shouldn't be an issue altogether. As for "spying" in WvWvW, that's a bullshit excuse- what, an enemy is going to relay "stack on me" to his competing server's commanders? That is about all there is to say on the matter. If you wish to continue this, do it privately. I am always available on the TeamSpeak or through mail on Guild Wars. I feel this was completely unneeded, so please let it end here. That's not how these forums run, Lukian.
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Post by [FE] Red7Rum on Jul 21, 2013 16:16:39 GMT -5
I believe this thread is necessary because it allows everyone to see what is happening! Good, bad, or indifferent. The fact of the matter is this: There is only one active administrator who is involved as of right now, which is Lukian. Other than that, I don't know who else is. Our SERVER WIDE TEAMSPEAK HAS ONE ADMIN, can you see how the power can quickly be over kill at times?
Also, there is conflicting "rules" at play here... For one, we aren't SUPPOSED to lead out of Guild Channels. And we aren't SUPPOSED to curse/keep it PG13 inside public channels i.e. Eternal BL channel, ect. However, we are allowed to be as crazy and vulgar as we want to in guild channels. Which leads to people commanding from their guild channels.
I think we are all big boys and girls in Ferguson Crossing. I think we know the differences between wrongs and rights. As well as what is too far and what is absurd. We need to stop worrying about "PG-13" and focus on actually playing WvW...and WINNING. It's just a game.... but its funner when you win sometimes.
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Post by kikilabelle on Jul 21, 2013 19:40:40 GMT -5
“When society gives censors wide and vague powers they never confine themselves to deserving targets. They are not snipers, but machine-gunners. Allow them to fire at will, and they will hit anything that moves.”
― Nick Cohen
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Post by Dan on Jul 21, 2013 19:48:19 GMT -5
"Man, this one fucker kept trying to grind on my ass at the club, right? So I took the brick out of my purse and slammed his nutsack with it. Then I be all, 'Damn son, you really bust a nut here, 'aight?' Also, fuck the police."
- Kiki Labelle
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Post by kikilabelle on Jul 21, 2013 20:27:55 GMT -5
Be fair, Dan, I gave you plenty of warning before I got the brick out. Hope you're feeling better, though. I hear it is possible to function okay with just one.
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Post by angel on Jul 22, 2013 10:45:04 GMT -5
Regarding what chat is appropriate or not, I will suggest that the best solution is to put the responsibility on the commander in the channel at the time. Commanders should be able to keep their group/channel at least within a reasonable amount of control, and if left with no choice, kick someone who refuses to be a respectful group member.
It would be up to the discretion of the commander of the group whether what is being said is in good spirit or if it is disrespectful / unnecessary. This means a commander tag in TS should not necessarily be given to just anyone who gets a tag in-game, but should come with this little bit of responsibility as well.
I can only recall 3 instances where I witnessed someone being disrespectful and "crossing the line" in TS. The commanders didn't handle it appropriately and so it probably led to complaints that could have easily been avoided. In 2 cases the commander did nothing to step in even though the individual was clearly out of line. In the 3rd case the commander immediately got really upset and attacked the person back and threatened to leave the server if the drama didn't stop.
That's not exactly what I would consider "commander" behavior. A commander should be able to calmly ask someone to stop. Then if it continues, give a warning. After asking nicely and giving a warning, if the person is still out of line, kick 'em. Maybe offer a brief apology to anyone who was offended, and mention something like "if anyone is in his guild let him know he's welcome to come back when he's ready to be more respectful"
In a nutshell, we need leaders to step up and act like leaders which includes peacekeeping and preserving morale and group mentality. If you don't have a mic and find what's being said offensive, you can whisper the commander. That being said, on behalf of all commanders, we ask everyone to be a little bit laid-back and have fun. I.E. if someone dies in battle and says a curse word, don't act like it just ruined your day. If that's your biggest problem then I want your life.
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Hunting for Eldritch Abominations.
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Post by malegryne on Jul 22, 2013 15:22:55 GMT -5
Meh. Here we go again. The problem I'm seeing, is that no matter who runs/owns the TS, we're going to end up genitals-deep in some kinda drama. Before the issues some folk now express, RE: Lukian, did we not have a similar psychological hoe-down regarding the original TS run by Edwin? Fact is:
1.) I have no beef with anyone in our server, unless they cross me personally. 2.) I myself -mind you, as a person known to have a rather sewer-esque mouth- have before said it could be beneficial for all of us to tone down our more lewd commentary on occasion. Now, note that that's only one side of an argument which could go on for ages. The opposite concept being: that for anyone that spends the hundreds to thousands of dollars on a computer, 10-20 for a headset or just earphones is kinda simple. /shrug. It can go either way, tbh, and just distracts our server from unification, point blank. 3.) We have vastly bigger fish to fry, as a server. Namely, every server ANet, in their (not so-)infinite wisdom, shoves down our collective throats. I, for one, simply wish to continue with the business of purging their heretical asses.
Work calls. Have fun, and kick scads of ass. =)
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Post by morderoux on Jul 25, 2013 23:00:20 GMT -5
Meh. Here we go again. The problem I'm seeing, is that no matter who runs/owns the TS, we're going to end up genitals-deep in some kinda drama. Before the issues some folk now express, RE: Lukian, did we not have a similar psychological hoe-down regarding the original TS run by Edwin? Fact is: 1.) I have no beef with anyone in our server, unless they cross me personally. 2.) I myself -mind you, as a person known to have a rather sewer-esque mouth- have before said it could be beneficial for all of us to tone down our more lewd commentary on occasion. Now, note that that's only one side of an argument which could go on for ages. The opposite concept being: that for anyone that spends the hundreds to thousands of dollars on a computer, 10-20 for a headset or just earphones is kinda simple. /shrug. It can go either way, tbh, and just distracts our server from unification, point blank. 3.) We have vastly bigger fish to fry, as a server. Namely, every server ANet, in their (not so-)infinite wisdom, shoves down our collective throats. I, for one, simply wish to continue with the business of purging their heretical asses. Work calls. Have fun, and kick scads of ass. =) This right here, I seen it happen since I joined WvW, I stopped using TS all together and rarely join the zerg if it isn't Moose or Micboboo, matter of fact is I don't mind or care if anyone says anything that's on their mind or they start cussing half the world, or go into sexual discussions, but at some point I'm just playing the game to have fun, to relax and gank some noobs, feel pro and whatnot ( I lie to myself daily that I am so pro, just to keep my self going against the bigger numbers these other tier servers dish out, it's hard to solo now adays with 8 HoD or NSP chasing me down every time, or chasing after noobs when they cant 1v2 for crap). Matter of fact is at some point the drama builds up and it's a cycle I see repeat , happened with Pewpew , and all I know is it will keep on going, at some point it all comes back, the fact that we have such a small wvw community kind of traps us in that state, I been to higher tier TS channels and the numbers there is insane but usually they don't wvw in the same channels , its big guilds on their own channel discussing their strats and they keep a lvl of respect for the other guilds in the other channels. Sadly here in FC we can't dish those numbers and props to those good warriors that I see in the zergs working as a group or the 3-5 man teams I've been with who take towers. I haven't been on TS for months so idk what the flavor of the month drama topic is now, but one thing is, we need to clean up our act on the TS channels if we want a more influx of new fresh players, I was watching some Bambies in WvW taking their first steps asking for tips and stuff, i didn't have much time on my hands, but you know that if you want to motivate new players you have to give them a reason, make the TS experience more friendly. This isn't something new, rather needs a fix.
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Post by rikkity on Jul 26, 2013 10:12:55 GMT -5
tar pit
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