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Post by Aldix on Jul 20, 2013 0:40:43 GMT -5
Due to recent events I feel like there needs to be serious consideration on how the TeamSpeak is run. I feel like decisions are made "behind closed doors" and by too few people, after all this is a public server that is both used and funded by many people. Recently it was decided that swearing and grotesque language were going to be outlawed from the public sections of the TS. Although I do agree that racial slurs and other derogative language have no place in the chat, I believe that swearing should not be banned (apparently there was a vote on this but everyone I have talked to heard nothing about this). For those who have children that play this game, I do understand why you would prefer for the language to be kept clean, keep in mind that the majority of the people playing this game are teenagers and young adults and that sometimes the wants of the many outweigh the wants of the few.
Because of all these rules and stipulations, [Deth] will no longer lead and will sparcely use the public sections of the TS. Anyone who wishes to listen in to our commanding in WvW is more than welcome to join our channel but be aware that swearing will be permitted. If things do not change soon we will be leaving this TS server for good.
In my opinion, there should be more Admins as well as Moderators in the TeamSpeak. Recently, Lukian demoted all the other Admin's to Moderator and I feel that since he is not the only one paying for the TS, he should not be the only Admin.
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Post by Archilese on Jul 20, 2013 4:35:42 GMT -5
"We'll lose more people than we'll gain" - Archilese, 2013 (before pg13 teamspeak)
I'll say this, teamspeak shouldn't be coming out of your speakers reguardless because it creates echo (meaning we can hear your speakers through your mic) so buy some Ipod headphones or something.
Also fuck the idea of Admins/Mods, Commanders who use public channels should be able to kick the idiots out of teamspeak or mute them but we don't need more dick comparing by kicking people out as jokes and putting passwords on channels. You want to chat with your small group of friends? Get on skype or accept the fact that people will jump into your channel.
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Post by combatdoc on Jul 20, 2013 4:52:48 GMT -5
ok aldix I like you but your a bit off track by posting this it is the repeated cursing that is at issue and not the zero tolerance policy that you seem to believe that is being suggested, the cursing racial slurs and sexual innuendo that I have heard of alpha males is what is at issue if you wish to continue using the locker room lingo that I myself have had people and women tell me that keeps people off this teammspeak be my guest. just last night on of your members told me basically to F --offwhen I asked for help in our borderlands so does that mean that some of your members are taking their queues from listening to their leader, as a former staff Sargent I know that if your squad believ that if its ok with you than its ok with everyone,i am an administrator and also contribute heavily to team speak and have no trouble with it and I will be the first on to offer to pay your first 6 months of a new teamspeak server if you feel confined in your first amendment right that I fought for in Iraq, I am here to have fun its just a game! and I have had my own guild and my own business and learned to control my toungelike I said aldix I like you your a great commander and a great player and want to see you have funso if you believe that the only way that this can happen ist have your own teamspeak like I said I will pay rfor the first six months of it, I don't see any problem with curbing the language
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Post by Aldix on Jul 20, 2013 11:41:34 GMT -5
rasc, the whole swearing thing is only part of the problem. yesterday at the beginning of the WvW meeting I said "dick" and got kicked from the server where as a [TTA] member said "shit" twice and wasn't even given a warning. this is what I mean when I say that the TS isn't being managed as well as It could be and that the power is in too few peoples hands. like I said before, there are many people that donate to keeping this TS server. yourself included, and I feel that they should have a say in what goes on as well.
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Post by Logan Thackeray on Jul 20, 2013 13:09:56 GMT -5
I don't have a horse in this race nor do I intend to start betting on one. That being said, Ferguson's Crossing encountered a similar problem with [WZ] managing the server's first public TeamSpeak. So long as the channels remain equal and fair, I don't have a problem with officially advertising 'fcgw2.ts3dns.com' as the IP to go to. But here are the current problems I've seen in the current TeamSpeak since my return to the Guild Wars 2 world: - Restricted language. I don't care if your seven year-old kid likes playing on your account and listening to the WvWvW chatter. So long as the discussion doesn't stray into morally black areas (i.e. threatening acts of violence, sexually preying on underage players, ect.) there should be no need for kicking individuals out of public channels for dropping "fuck" or "piss off" in their speech. If you don't like hearing it, personally mute it.
- Too many moderators. Let's be honest- a large majority of any MMORPG's player-base consists of betas who have little-to-no power in the real world. For some of these nerds, the chance to admin a community TeamSpeak consisting of (at best) eighty individuals, or command a zerg of tweens in the Eternal Batlegrounds, is like a wet dream. I don't give two fucks if you love beating-off to the echo of nasally voices going, "OOOOOH!" when you kick someone out of a channel; there should only be one moderator for every seventy-or-so speakers in the TeamSpeak at a time.
- Personal rankings. I get that your friends mean more to you than the anonymous-Andy that pops in every day for an hour or two to play WvWvW. That being said, treat him/her the same way you would treat your best friend. The only rankings I should see in the public TeamSpeak should be a moderator and (potentially) a donor.
The current TeamSpeak admins have three days to fix these problems. Should they choose not to and the TeamSpeak remains as-is, I will remove the sticky officially advertising the IP and delete any posts attempting to "bring it back"; I cannot, in good faith, support a community that holds such values. The position for my advertising of the server's new TeamSpeak will then be open to anyone that can support my criteria. This isn't a post suggesting I manage the community's TeamSpeak. This isn't a post blackmailing any of the current admins. This is, however, a post telling everyone that I expect respectable administration from any group claiming that they run Ferguson's Crossing's TeamSpeak. EDIT: (I accidentally a bullet.) - Requirement of group assignment to talk/enter channels. This is just excessive. No. Open TeamSpeak or no TeamSpeak.
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Post by NoOneSpecial on Jul 20, 2013 15:15:55 GMT -5
I do have to say, I agree with Logan on this one.... I tried to get into TS twice last week (using room mate's computer, cause I can't run TS and the game on mine) ... couldn't, because I didn't have an FC tag or whatever... couldn't find anyone to get one.. so haven't been back. And from what I've seen in map chat, there isn't anyone in the borderland channel anyways, so I really am not missing anything by not being able to use TS. |
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Post by nobody on Jul 20, 2013 15:39:03 GMT -5
I have to agree with Logan as well. The tag thing is just stupid. I stopped going into it since I have no tag and don't know who to talk to in order to get one. And TBH I just don't feel like bothering to try and get one. Also, I think it is funny as hell that Aldix is whining about getting kicked from TS after he kicked a friend of mine simply because she went into EB channel. That was all she did so it had to be the reason. And when she said something to him in Lion's Arch about it he tried to say her mic was echoing. She doesn't have a mic on her computer. It's ok for Aldix to do it, but not for anyone else to do it to him. LOL. I would start my own TS, but it's too big of a pain in the ass to bother with from what I have seen.
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Post by [FE] Red7Rum on Jul 20, 2013 19:25:24 GMT -5
- Too many moderators. Let's be honest- a large majority of any MMORPG's player-base consists of betas who have little-to-no power in the real world. For some of these nerds, the chance to admin a community TeamSpeak consisting of (at best) eighty individuals, or command a zerg of tweens in the Eternal Batlegrounds, is like a wet dream. I don't give two fucks if you love beating-off to the echo of nasally voices going, "OOOOOH!" when you kick someone out of a channel; there should only be one moderator for every seventy-or-so speakers in the TeamSpeak at a time.
No, I disagree. There are about 70 or so speakers in the TeamSpeak as-is. Which means there is only one moderator. No. That isn't a respectable and fair way to manage people. No shot. |
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Post by Aldix on Jul 20, 2013 21:03:19 GMT -5
nobody, why would I lie about someones mic echoing? also keep in mind that some computers have built in microphones and that could have caused the echoing. the only people I kicked from TS were my guildies (as a joke), trolls from other servers and peoples who had open/echoing mics while I was leading
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Post by moobs on Jul 20, 2013 21:15:43 GMT -5
siding with Aldix on this one, I think these rules are pretty stupid. the new tag system is even stupider. as a donator of the TS server I'd like to ask for revisions in the way the TS is run, perhaps in creating equally superior administrators. Lukian is a good admin, however, he should not have total control over the TS.
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Post by Cosmic on Jul 20, 2013 23:22:24 GMT -5
Setting an ultimatum for a TS change is just short of blackmailing. It doesn't help to build a community. The same is said for Guilds
suggesting their departure of the TS server and getting their own because of those rules. We have enough guilds with their own
server, which just fragments the community and makes communication more difficult. Quite a few guilds don't use the BL channels
when in WvW and are in their own rather than using the sub-channels. This does not help to build a community either when the
rest of people on the map are excluded. Must be when the critical mass of active guild members is reached and no others are
needed anymore. We don't need more servers we need everybody on one.
When you donate to a cause this does not make you a part owner.
Donation : an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution.
Moderators you can't have enough of. You would expect that moderators are respectful and responsible people.
I don't see any reason why we shouldn't have plenty of them, besides 24 hours is a long time to cover.
You don't make dimwits to moderators.
I don't see a problem with the icons which represent an access status. Admin / Moderator / Priority Speaker / Commander and such
How would you know otherwise when you have a problem who the moderator is without asking ?
I'm certain Lukian didn't wake up one morning with the idea we need TS rules. I guess he was asked to do so.
( I think there was a vote at one point )
I don't like TS rules. I think we can be respectful without but if we have rules they should be posted clearly in the TS info
somewhere for everybody to read and maybe a link in detail. PG13 is a movie rating and very slippery.
For example one F-bomb is still PG13 a second bumps it up to R. If somebody finds a good link how this applies to forums or
TS I would like to read it. I don't know what it exactly entails. Without a reference it's only anyones opinion.
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Post by Dan on Jul 20, 2013 23:43:13 GMT -5
Moderators you can't have enough of. You would expect that moderators are respectful and responsible people. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't have plenty of them, besides 24 hours is a long time to cover. You don't make dimwits to moderators.The problem with the current TeamSpeak's status is that I am seeing a lot of dimwits being made into moderators. I'm not going to list any names, but I'm fairly certain we can all divvy-up said individuals by their pubescent voices alone. Granting dimwits kicking-powers exclusively to their guild channels is one thing, giving it to them in public channels is an entirely different game. I don't see a problem with the icons which represent an access status. Admin / Moderator / Priority Speaker / Commander and such How would you know otherwise when you have a problem who the moderator is without asking ? Admin and Moderator icons are acceptable. Priority Speaker status should be removed; why is one individual's voice worth more than another's? If the answer to that question is, "Because sometimes it's hard to talk over another person in TeamSpeak," then you've missed the purpose of WvWvW entirely- teamwork. Commander icons are just stupid in general. It takes only 100 gold ( that's what, two days of farming CoF path 1?) to get the blue dorito. And all this is stated while ignoring the pink Quaggan, 'FC' logo, and green-star icons. Not only is it an eye-fucking to view, it diminishes the sense of equality that all users of TeamSpeak should be able to hold. I'm certain Lukian didn't wake up one morning with the idea we need TS rules. I guess he was asked to do so. ( I think there was a vote at one point ) A vote by who? A group of individuals on TeamSpeak at the time when elections took place? I certainly didn't cast my vote on any of the said issues, and neither did a large portion of other players judging by the forum responses. |
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Post by Cosmic on Jul 21, 2013 2:36:24 GMT -5
Moderators you can't have enough of. You would expect that moderators are respectful and responsible people. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't have plenty of them, besides 24 hours is a long time to cover. You don't make dimwits to moderators.The problem with the current TeamSpeak's status is that I am seeing a lot of dimwits being made into moderators. I'm not going to list any names, but I'm fairly certain we can all divvy-up said individuals by their pubescent voices alone. Granting dimwits kicking-powers exclusively to their guild channels is one thing, giving it to them in public channels is an entirely different game. If that's the case , that's a different problem. I don't see a problem with the icons which represent an access status. Admin / Moderator / Priority Speaker / Commander and such How would you know otherwise when you have a problem who the moderator is without asking ? Admin and Moderator icons are acceptable. Priority Speaker status should be removed; why is one individual's voice worth more than another's? If the answer to that question is, "Because sometimes it's hard to talk over another person in TeamSpeak," then you've missed the purpose of WvWvW entirely- teamwork. Commander icons are just stupid in general. It takes only 100 gold ( that's what, two days of farming CoF path 1?) to get the blue dorito. And all this is stated while ignoring the pink Quaggan, 'FC' logo, and green-star icons. Not only is it an eye-fucking to view, it diminishes the sense of equality that all users of TeamSpeak should be able to hold. Yes priority speaker is nice for commanders. Often you have people in TS which can't shut up or some random open mic and you can't hear the commander otherwise. If the icon eye candy is a problem that's just looking for something to complain about, they sure don't hurt. I don't care either way but it's not distracting. WvW teamwork is something else all together. If you look at TS it seems there is none. I'm certain Lukian didn't wake up one morning with the idea we need TS rules. I guess he was asked to do so. ( I think there was a vote at one point ) A vote by who? A group of individuals on TeamSpeak at the time when elections took place? I certainly didn't cast my vote on any of the said issues, and neither did a large portion of other players judging by the forum responses. I don't know when this happened , I was not present. |
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Post by [TTA] Lukian Darkblade on Jul 21, 2013 4:10:05 GMT -5
Alright, here we go. Firstly, this whole thread is nonsense. This could have been brought up personally as to prevent causing any drama. Creating a thread is a bit extensive. Regarding the PG-13 issue, there was both a warning/discussing and a vote on it. Vote was held during a World vs World meeting. Now, I have to admit the restrictions on this rule are a bit unnecessary. It's simply in place to keep the chat clean. Cussing every now and again is alright, aside from cussing, what "PG-13" really means is don't say anything you wouldn't want your child to hear. Don't make dirty remarks, don't say overly vulgar things. Simple.
Regarding the "FC" tags: there are so many people with the power to give them that they should not be an issue. Mods, commanders, guild leaders and admins can all grant the tag. People come in daily, and if they are confused, me or another mod/admin is always there to help them. It's in place to keep trolls/spies out of our TS (which we have had come in there on occasion). It's a one time ordeal, you get the tag and you're golden.
Despite popular belief, the TeamSpeak doesn't run solely on donations. I help pay for it monthly as well as upgrade it when needed. I am not the only person in power on the TeamSpeak as many of you would like to believe. There is another admin (formerly two) who helped manage the TeamSpeak. One had to be demoted sadly, but that's not a public matter. If I feel I can trust another person with full reign of the TeamSpeak, I will promote them asap.
That is about all there is to say on the matter. If you wish to continue this, do it privately. I am always available on the TeamSpeak or through mail on Guild Wars. I feel this was completely unneeded, so please let it end here.
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Post by nobody on Jul 21, 2013 6:55:57 GMT -5
Lukian asked that we stopped talking about this here, so I will. I am going to reply to Aldix though. I don't know if you lied or not. What I do know is that I know her personally and she had no mic, no built in mic or any other secret mic that could be open. You kicked her without giving her a reason and when she confronted you about it you had no idea who she was or why you kicked her. You tried to cover it up with the open mic thing and didn't seem to know what to say when she told you she had no mic. BTW, I was online in Lion's Arch (I happened to be grouped with her at the time) and watched the conversation. I was also on TS when you kicked her and you never said anything in TS about why you did it. I never heard an open mic. She had just moved from the AFK channel to EB and a second or so later you kicked her. No reason given. Seriously I doubt you even remember why you did it, if you ever actually knew. Maybe you thought she was some friend of yours that likes being kicked off for no reason, I really don't know. Granted you apologized to her for doing it at after you realized you didn't kick her for the mic, but it was still too late. She stopped using our TS because of that. And my whole point was not to call you a liar, it was to point out that you were whining about someone doing the same thing to you. I was only pointing it out because it was so funny. I apologize if it sounded like I was calling you a liar. And, I mean that as sincerely as your apology to her was.
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