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Post by FollowShiny on May 14, 2013 16:57:11 GMT -5
but dude, you should know coming from jq that better coverage and more manpower is so heavily reflected in the ratings that skill is nothing more than white noise. you NEED to have approximately equal manpower in order to judge tactical skill. Trust me know man power. Moving up increases that, as u saw this week we are getting more players into WvW that arnt normally in here, as we grow more and more people will realize we are doing better and hop into WvW themselves. We have as many people on the server as some T1 servers its just a matter of getting them into WvW and Taking this more seriously. So getting better is going to bring more people into WvW and is also going to bring us up in ranks. it all goes hand in hand. P.S. im from Blackgate  |
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Post by rikkity on May 14, 2013 17:08:40 GMT -5
we dont have as many people, were only medium pop... /looks at server list
oh. thats a new one.
wonder what happened to make us very high. cuz it sure wasnt free transfers. we were still medium after that week.
(bg, jq, sos, hod, whoever else, whats the difference anyways!)
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Post by FollowShiny on May 14, 2013 17:14:48 GMT -5
we dont have as many people, were only medium pop... /looks at server list oh. thats a new one. wonder what happened to make us very high. cuz it sure wasnt free transfers. we were still medium after that week. (bg, jq, sos, hod, whoever else, whats the difference anyways!) lol like i said we got the people in PvE just gotta get them over to WvW. and doing better has been bringing more and more over. |
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kelthadis
Sanguis et Tonitrus - Hardcore WvW
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Post by kelthadis on May 14, 2013 18:30:26 GMT -5
...when people say they dont want to move up and they dont care it, it angers me, im a commander on FC i transferred from the #1 Server to get more commanding time in, and when people say they dont care or its not worth it, or start saying rating is fucked up. Im gonna say something back. Ive said this many of times now WvW IS COMPETITIVE IF U DONT LIKE IT go to PvE or PvP. we (as a server) want to get out of T8. Why did you pick FC? Anyone who's done the WvW thing for long enough will make the same observations that Rikkity did--it's more about coverage and population than anything else. Tactics and strategy will move the needle but nowhere near the amount that another 20 organized and able bodied fighters will. Where WvW is most flawed is where those same coverage/population imbalances negate the cleverness and good play of everyone else in the matchup. If you're from Blackgate's serious WvW population then I'd expect you to know that (bonus points if you were in the BWC). FWIW, BG and FC share similar strengths and weaknesses which I find terribly amusing and tragic all at the same time.
Fair-weather WvWers typically only show up when you're winning or to finish their monthly. They do not move the needle when the chips are down. If you can get half a zerg of regular WvWers out of their ranks, then great, but chances are good you won't (otherwise they'd already be here). You also make this sound a lot like an unpaid job with your "shouldn't be playing" and whatnot but I'm guessing most people play for fun. Winning can be a lot of fun but PPT obsession easily leads to burnout which isn't. In my opinion it isn't worth it to move up. Being in a tier where anyone can win makes the match a lot more interesting. It's almost as if an individual's contribution might matter in the ranking rather than being lost in the sea of points our opponents would be putting up overnight during the match. If the fights are good and people feel like they're making a difference I'm not sure what the problem is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't fight hard and play smart but I don't think anyone's really arguing that. But what do I know, I'm just an elitist roamer. |
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Post by FollowShiny on May 14, 2013 18:44:27 GMT -5
Elitist roamer? Is that the new term for pugs? Lol. But really. I don't see what u think is wrong about this rating system. I get the coverage prolly better than anyone else here. But that didn't stop us from being ahead of ET and now HoD they have superior numbers. And we r in 1st. I garentee if we go up to t7 it will reignite the spark of WvW of old gw2 players as well as spark an interest of new potential WvWers.
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Post by Dan on May 14, 2013 19:21:40 GMT -5
Getting in first place won't ignite any "new spark" in our server's PvE division. Here's the scenario that will play out if our server does manage to hit green within the coming weeks:
Little Timmy enters the new Ferguson's Crossing Borderlands for the first time in his entire 1,000+ hour Guild Wars 2 career. He smiles at his screen, examining the lovely green-colored towers that mark the landscape when he opens up his map tab. As he scrolls about the area he notices a blue Dorito moving about. 'Well, I suppose I better follow that commander!' he ponders.
As he reaches the commander he notices a large amount of scattering about the commander, with an occasional two or three players "stacking" together and dropping down these weird "fire fields" before entering the fray.
"Excuse me!" Timmy calls out. "Why isn't the commander telling us to do anything?"
"Because we're all on TeamSpeak!" a regular WvW player replies. "Come join us!"
Timmy shakes his head. TeamSpeak? What good will that do? He better address and correct the person who told him such information.
"TEAMSPEAK IS WORTHLESS!" he cries out. "DEAF PEOPLE CAN'T USE IT."
A large number of other PvE players agree in unison through the map chat. Timmy's on a roll now; he better start correcting these regular PvP players about how wrong they're playing the game, and how they do things very differently in the PvE portion of Tyria.
"ZERKER GEAR IS THE BEST FOR AN ENGINEER."
"LOL WHAT GOOD IS FIRE FIELDS I RUN HIGH CRIT I ALREADY DO GOOD DAMAGE."
"CALL OUT YOUR COMMANDS THROUGH MAP CHAT OR I WON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO."
But despite his best intended efforts, these regular WvW players just don't seem interested in listening to Timmy's advice. And so he logs out of WvW after his fifth wipe, spits on his keyboard in frustration, and opens up YouPorn to finish off his very productive day.
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Post by Archilese on May 14, 2013 19:42:17 GMT -5
Little Timmy enters the new Ferguson's Crossing Borderlands for the first time in his entire 1,000+ hour Guild Wars 2 career. He smiles at his screen, examining the lovely green-colored towers that mark the landscape when he opens up his map tab. As he scrolls about the area he notices a blue Dorito moving about. 'Well, I suppose I better follow that commander!' he ponders. You missed " Well, I suppose I better follow the commander! No wait a sentry I better go stand over there, oh there's 4 enemies I better chase them back into the castle"And then "What are we doing we should take Red keep I need the vista, this commander is a noob because I died why did nobody res me I'm going back to PvE people hand me stuff without me having to be skilled in any way whatsoever." |
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kelthadis
Sanguis et Tonitrus - Hardcore WvW
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Post by kelthadis on May 14, 2013 20:58:14 GMT -5
And then "What are we doing we should take Red keep I need the vista, this commander is a noob because I died why did nobody res me I'm going back to PvE people hand me stuff without me having to be skilled in any way whatsoever."9/10: would lol again. |
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Post by Aldix on May 15, 2013 4:01:34 GMT -5
this right here is what is wrong with FC. instead of ridiculing new WvW'ers why not take a minute to try and teach them? maybe they will understand what everyone is trying to do and buy into the system; if they choose not to, so be it atleast you gave it a shot. its almost like you guys forget you were once new to WvW as well and needed to be taught (which we were). so instead of being trolls why not show some respect and actually try to help people out.
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Post by richterwelz on May 15, 2013 5:31:02 GMT -5
this right here is what is wrong with FC. instead of ridiculing new WvW'ers why not take a minute to try and teach them? maybe they will understand what everyone is trying to do and buy into the system; if they choose not to, so be it atleast you gave it a shot. its almost like you guys forget you were once new to WvW as well and needed to be taught (which we were). so instead of being trolls why not show some respect and actually try to help people out. QFT. if you're going to be a commander learn to be cordial and have some people skills. don't be a bunch of inclusive, elitist pricks otherwise you'll drive people away as quickly as they come in |
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Post by scleameth on May 15, 2013 5:48:29 GMT -5
true words Aldix, but remember that back in the day when our commanders where new, so was the enemy. My intro into WvW back in the day mostly consisted of at most 10 Leeroy Jenkins' into the Spirit camp amongst the red see that was DR (for a short while) and Kaineng. Teamwork actually only started when breakouts became available because then we could actually stay alive long enough to try and co-ordinate some sort of an offensive.
WvW has evolved and with all the green dots around on FC (still tears in my eyes), we need faster co-ordination to "keep up with the Jones' "
Linda actually manages to get some good communications off in between all the frantic action, but to be honest I miss a lot of real time instructions just because I'm focussed on what I'm doing on screen and not paying much attention to map chat half the time. those 5 seconds I don't stare at map chat can cost deaths. So the argument in favour of TS: Easier to command AND easier to follow.
I really don't expect commanders to give realtime instructions on map chat and actually playing the game at the same time. Unless you have a scribe sidekick younger sibling/spouse. But true to your words, let's just stay classy and patient with people not in TS. But if people follow a zerg with a commander in TS then they should honestly not expect to get spoon fed instructions in map chat, there's no time for that.
I'm not even a commander and I get frustrated when we're in open field, commander calls for static field and a bunch of random AoEs just drop around the stack. In TS commanders say: "Static.... blast" and we move on. In map chat they would have to type "Static field please" 3seconds later "STATIC ONLY PLEASE" 3 seconds later after all the fire is gone "BLAST". By the time this whole action is performed, we could have just snail paced to our destination. That's if you're luck to get 10 seconds swiftness to go with your 5 seconds of remaining 6 stacks of might.
Again, we should be patient and help, yes, but also insistent that TS is advantageous and not reserved for some elite group. Commanders should expect the same in return. If newcomers want to get some good training they should expect to get the basics taught right off the bat: Get on TS and get some toughness. Resist and expect to get some of that resistance thrown right back. No commander ever complained about some pug running around in full zerkers killing skritt and flipping camps.
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